0001 00:02:11:07 00:02:15:04

 

Dear mum and dad and brother,

 

0002 00:02:15:07 00:02:22:05

when you read this message I’m probably already dead.      

 

0003      00:04:41:22      00:04:47:05

A girl came in, crying.

She said there was a fight downstairs.

 

0004      00:04:48:05      00:04:49:23

We went down the stairs.

 

0005      00:04:50:20      00:04:54:16

I realized, as the second person

went down the stairs...

 

0006      00:04:54:19      00:04:57:00

that it was way too quiet.

 

0007      00:04:59:22      00:05:05:17

I opened the door, went in,

and then a bathroom door opened.

 

0008      00:05:06:17      00:05:08:18

And I saw a gun.

 

0009      00:05:10:08      00:05:13:08

I saw the gun shooting one pupil.

 

0010      00:05:14:12      00:05:17:07

I saw his head burst open.

 

0011      00:05:17:10      00:05:21:00

It was like watching a film

in slow motion.

 

0012      00:05:22:12      00:05:24:11

I got so angry.

 

0013      00:05:24:14      00:05:30:04

I was absolutely convinced that it was

some outsider who had come to harm us.

 

0014      00:05:47:12      00:05:51:19

He banged on the doors.

 

0015      00:05:51:22      00:05:55:23

He came to our door as well

and started banging on it.

 

0016      00:05:56:01      00:06:02:19

I guess he tried to shoot

the lock open too.

 

0017      00:06:02:22      00:06:07:15

He shouted something like:

I will kill you all.

 

0018      00:06:07:18      00:06:13:23

All the time there was this feeling

that you might die any moment...

 

0019      00:06:14:01      00:06:18:13

so I sent all my friends

the same message.

 

0020      00:06:18:16      00:06:22:17

I wrote that now things were really bad.

 

0021      00:06:22:20      00:06:26:18

That I was at school

and there was a shooting.

 

0022      00:06:26:21      00:06:30:05

And that I wasn't sure...

 

0023      00:06:30:08      00:06:35:03

but that I hoped I would survive it

and that it was very frightening...

 

0024      00:06:35:06      00:06:40:04

and that I would miss them a lot...

 

0025      00:06:40:07      00:06:43:22

in case I wouldn't make it.

 

0026      00:06:44:00      00:06:51:03

I wrote 'thanks for everything, and for being

my friends', and those kind of things.

 

0027      00:06:59:23      00:07:04:10

There were many first-year students

in the canteen. My students.

 

0028      00:07:04:13      00:07:10:13

I was just shouting: Get out, someone's

shooting downstairs. Go away, quickly.

 

0029      00:07:10:16      00:07:15:17

So they went, fortunately.

At that point, I remember thinking...

 

0030      00:07:16:22      00:07:19:09

that this could be my last run.

 

0031      00:07:19:12      00:07:23:08

And what would happen to my children?

They were ten years old.

 

0032      00:07:23:11      00:07:25:24

I can't get out of here.

 

0033      00:07:26:02      00:07:30:18

And when I turned around,

when I was heading off from there...

 

0034      00:07:30:21      00:07:33:20

I saw Pekka at the glass doors,

for the first time.

 

0035      00:07:33:23      00:07:37:23

And I realized that I knew the person

who was doing this.

 

0036      00:07:38:01      00:07:41:16

I just thought: this is impossible.

 

0037      00:07:44:10      00:07:49:00

He was at the glass doors, he had a gun,

and he shouted something in the line of:

 

0038      00:07:49:03      00:07:53:16

Come over here and open these doors

or I'll get really angry.

 

0039      00:08:06:11      00:08:13:06

My colleague said to me: He's coming.

And I saw him at the end of the corridor.

 

0040      00:08:13:09      00:08:18:23

He was maybe 25 meters away from me.

 

0041      00:08:19:01      00:08:24:13

He opened the doors we had closed

since they weren't locked.

 

0042      00:08:24:16      00:08:29:05

At that point,

he started running towards me.

 

0043      00:08:30:06      00:08:34:09

I can't say if he shot at me at that point...

 

0044      00:08:34:12      00:08:40:09

but the police told me they found

bullet holes on the wall there.

 

0045      00:08:40:12      00:08:43:14

So he might have

shot at me.

 

0046      00:08:43:17      00:08:48:16

But that moment is a bit fuzzy for me.

 

0047      00:08:48:19      00:08:54:10

At that point, I thought,

that I had only one option.

 

0048      00:08:54:13      00:08:58:16

My wife and I had just taken out a mortgage

of a little over 200,000 Euros.

 

0049      00:08:58:19      00:09:05:17

I couldn't leave my wife with that loan,

so I had to make it out of there alive.

 

0050      00:09:05:20      00:09:07:19

I needed to help my wife

pay back the loan.

 

0051      00:09:07:22      00:09:13:10

People have these crazy thoughts

in dangerous situations.

 

0052      00:09:16:11      00:09:21:07

It started when I happened to

look out the window...

 

0053      00:09:21:10      00:09:27:10

and saw our headmistress walking

outside. She looked nervous.

 

0054      00:09:30:14      00:09:34:04

I saw Pekka approaching

the headmistress.

 

0055      00:09:34:07      00:09:40:17

Pekka made her

go down on her knees.

 

0056      00:09:40:20      00:09:43:17

Pekka was holding a gun.

 

0057      00:09:43:20      00:09:46:16

He had the gun

against the back of her neck.

 

0058      00:09:46:19      00:09:50:13

Then he shot her there.

 

0059      00:09:52:17      00:09:56:13

I didn't know what to think

when Pekka shot the headmistress.

 

0060      00:09:56:16      00:10:02:14

I did not immediately

tell others about it.

 

0061      00:10:02:17      00:10:06:23

First, I just looked at her

lying there on the ground.

 

0062      00:10:07:01      00:10:13:04

After that I said to someone that the

headmistress was down on the ground.

 

0063      00:10:13:07      00:10:20:20

I was shocked. The person I notified

on this also looked outside.

 

0064      00:10:20:23      00:10:25:23

I didn't realize what was going on.

 

0065      00:10:26:01      00:10:31:18

I thought it was some kind of rehearsal.

 

0066      00:10:32:23      00:10:36:11

Or something fake.

 

0067      00:10:37:09      00:10:42:11

Somehow my brain just froze

and I couldn't think clearly.

 

0068      00:10:54:14      00:10:57:00

We opened the door.

 

0069      00:10:57:03      00:11:00:09

At the end of the hallway...

 

0070      00:11:00:12      00:11:06:05

Pekka-Eric Auvinen stood there.

He walked towards us very calmly.

 

0071      00:11:06:08      00:11:10:18

He raised a gun

and pointed it at us.

 

0072      00:11:10:21      00:11:15:17

We hid under the desks,

and in every corner of the classroom.

 

0073      00:11:15:20      00:11:21:04

We were under the window, behind

the desks and also under the chairs.

 

0074      00:11:22:04      00:11:27:14

Then he said that this was a revolution...

 

0075      00:11:27:17      00:11:31:03

that school was out forever,

the headmistress was dead...

 

0076      00:11:31:06      00:11:35:03

and that there would

never be school again.

 

0077      00:11:35:06      00:11:40:18

And that now we should have fun

and that this was a revolution.

 

0078      00:11:42:19      00:11:44:19

No one did anything.

 

0079      00:11:44:22      00:11:51:03

That made him angry and he

fired the first shot at the TV.

 

0080      00:11:52:10      00:11:58:00

No one really moved yet, so he fired

another shot in the window glass.

 

0081      00:11:58:03      00:12:03:21

Because there were girls

under the window, the glass fell on the girls.

 

0082      00:12:06:01      00:12:11:03

Then one of the boys

took one of the desks...

 

0083      00:12:11:06      00:12:17:11

and knocked it over like 'okay,

let's knock over desks and tables'.

 

0084      00:12:18:11      00:12:21:20

He seemed to be glad about it.

 

0085      00:12:21:23      00:12:27:15

He said something like

'good job' and left.

 

0086      00:12:34:05      00:12:40:11

In the class, he was really calm,

in my opinion.

 

0087      00:12:43:14      00:12:50:16

He was self-assured, in a way.

Content with himself, maybe.

 

0088      00:12:50:19      00:12:56:19

Content with his performance.

That was the impression I got.

 

0089      00:12:56:22      00:13:02:15

His behaviour was not emotional.

Like it was all planned in a way.

 

0090      00:13:03:15      00:13:07:13

It was like he had a good feeling.

 

0091      00:13:21:15      00:13:25:07

At least seven people were killed

during a shooting...

 

0092      00:13:25:10      00:13:28:03

at the Jokela High School

in Tuusula.

 

0093      00:13:28:06      00:13:30:06

Ready to die for his cause...

 

0094  00:13:30:06 00:13:35:14

On You-Tube is a picture of the school. And armed for action.

 

0095  00:13:35:17 00:13:42:16

The killer wanted attention.

 

0096      00:13:39:15      00:13:42:22

The student who killed eight people

at the Jokela High School...

 

0097      00:13:43:00      00:13:46:18

has died this evening at

the Töölö Hospital in Helsinki.

 

0098  00:13:46:12 00:13:46:09

This girl was in a classroom next to one where

the killer was. She said everyone was...

 

0099      00:14:33:18      00:14:37:13

Jokela is seen as a good place

to raise children...

 

0100      00:14:37:16      00:14:41:15

so families like to live there

and like to move there.

 

0101      00:14:43:16      00:14:50:08

Most of them work in Helsinki. It's

about forty minutes to Helsinki by train.

 

0102      00:14:50:11      00:14:55:19

Jokela is a quiet neighbourhood where

people spend their free time and sleep.

 

00103      00:15:02:02      00:15:07:04

His father worked

for the national railway company...

 

00104      00:15:07:07      00:15:14:19

and his mother worked in a hospital.

She was a healthcare professional.

 

0105      00:15:19:12      00:15:22:04

They had lived in Helsinki.

 

0106      00:15:22:07      00:15:27:05

Then they searched for a more quiet

place and ended up in Jokela.

 

0107      00:15:30:10      00:15:36:04

In my opinion,

they seemed like quite a normal family.

 

0108      00:15:36:07      00:15:43:19

Of course, I didn't know them

or visit them until after this shooting.

 

0109      00:15:43:22      00:15:48:02

Of course this kind of thing

affects a family deeply.

 

0110      00:15:48:05      00:15:55:10

At least before the shooting

both parents worked.

 

0111      00:15:55:13      00:16:01:11

The family had many common hobbies

such as music and gardening.

 

0112      00:16:01:14      00:16:06:13

They seemed to be the kind of people

who liked to be at home.

 

0113      00:16:12:15      00:16:20:10

In the kind of small community

that Jokela is, they stood out.

 

0114      00:16:20:13      00:16:25:14

The father was a musician.

 

0115      00:16:25:17      00:16:30:07

I don't know about his job...

 

0116      00:16:30:10      00:16:38:15

but when he was younger, he played

guitar with famous Finnish bands.

 

0117      00:16:40:11      00:16:45:14

But I feel he had a warm

and loving home.

 

0118      00:16:45:17      00:16:50:04

So you can't say that things

were awry at his home.

 

0119      00:17:24:24      00:17:27:03

When he was twelve years old...

 

0120      00:17:27:06      00:17:33:05

he was a very sunny and happy child.

 

0121      00:17:33:08      00:17:36:01

He was kind.

 

0122      00:17:36:04      00:17:38:23

Pekka was very calm.

 

0123      00:17:39:01      00:17:44:12

He was never mean to anyone,

or angry at anyone.

 

0124      00:17:44:15      00:17:51:05

He was a well-behaved student. I never

needed to reprimand him about anything.

 

0125      00:17:52:00      00:17:57:14

But he was also someone

who stood out from others.

 

0126      00:17:57:17      00:18:03:07

He was interested in history,

he did quite well in school.

 

0127      00:18:04:15      00:18:06:23

Maybe he was a little withdrawn...

 

0128      00:18:07:01      00:18:11:09

but when you were alone with him,

he was very talkative.

 

0129      00:18:11:12      00:18:17:10

I remember when he spent a

night away from his home the first time.

 

0130      00:18:18:11      00:18:24:01

We had a camping trip

at the end of the school year.

 

0131      00:18:25:00      00:18:30:16

I had forgotten my work mobile phone

in my room.

 

0132      00:18:30:19      00:18:33:12

When I came back after a few hours...

 

0133      00:18:33:15      00:18:38:05

I looked at the phone and Pekka's

father had phoned about ten times.

 

0134      00:18:38:08      00:18:40:02

He was so worried...

 

0135      00:18:40:05      00:18:45:16

because Pekka was away from home

one night for the first time.

 

0136      00:18:46:18      00:18:54:09

He was twelve years old.

That sticks in my mind, it's noteworthy.

 

0137      00:18:55:22      00:19:02:09

I remember

he didn't have any friends at all.

 

0138      00:19:02:12      00:19:05:19

When there was free time

in the evening...

 

0139      00:19:05:22      00:19:09:13

I played mini-golf with him

and that kind of things.

 

0140      00:19:09:16      00:19:14:09

He didn't have any true friends

in that class.

 

0141      00:19:30:19      00:19:37:12

We talked about how the mother has

participated in local activities in Tuusula.

 

0142      00:19:37:15      00:19:42:15

She had been active in the regional section

of the Green party.

 

0143      00:19:42:18      00:19:47:07

But when I interviewed her, she

said she wasn't involved anymore.

 

0144      00:19:47:10      00:19:52:01

There had been some kind

of ideological differences...

 

0145      00:19:52:04      00:19:55:00

and a conflict between her

and the Green party.

 

0146      00:19:55:03      00:19:59:11

She was more oriented towards

deep-ecology and radicalism.

 

0147      00:20:03:07      00:20:10:00

Their values were ecological...

 

0148      00:20:10:03      00:20:12:14

and against consumerism.

 

0149      00:20:14:22      00:20:17:07

Pekka's family didn't have a car...

 

0150      00:20:17:10      00:20:25:10

which made their lifestyle slightly

different from that of other families.

 

0151  00:20:26:20 00:20:30:09

In what way exactly was that difficult?

 

0152      00:20:30:12      00:20:33:13

They didn't say it

was difficult...

 

0153      00:20:33:16      00:20:39:11

it was just that their children didn't play

football or ice-hockey...

 

0154      00:20:39:14      00:20:45:09

so they did not need a car

to drive them to sports clubs.

 

0155      00:20:45:12      00:20:53:12

And that is one of the ways parents

and children get to meet each other.

 

0156      00:20:53:15      00:20:56:01

Through children's hobbies and such.

 

0157      00:20:56:04      00:21:01:04

Their children didn't do team sports.

 

0158      00:21:01:07      00:21:07:08

They might have raised these boys

a little differently.

 

0159      00:21:07:11      00:21:13:10

Or according to a norm that wasn't

that masculine or competitive.

 

0160      00:21:16:11      00:21:21:04

Once the parents were asked to act as

judges in a school Idols-competition...

 

0161      00:21:21:07      00:21:26:03

but they refused. They didn't

want to support competitive behaviour.

 

0162      00:21:31:12      00:21:38:21

I'm sure this over-protectiveness

had an impact on Pekka.

 

0163      00:21:38:24      00:21:43:15

He had a strict upbringing.

 

0164      00:21:44:16      00:21:47:15

The children weren't allowed to swear

at home...

 

0165      00:21:47:18      00:21:50:11

while at school they say things like 'fuck'

all the time.

 

0166      00:21:50:14      00:21:56:24

It does create a sort of contradiction.

This is just an example of language.

 

0167      00:22:00:06      00:22:05:08

If you've had conflicts in school,

if you've had problems...

 

0168      00:22:05:11      00:22:09:04

then that might lead to...

 

0169      00:22:10:01      00:22:15:12

someone assuming a haughty attitude.

 

0170      00:22:15:15      00:22:21:12

That is my opinion,

about the upbringing.

 

0171      00:22:21:15      00:22:25:10

So that is why he might've thought

that other kids were inferior...

 

0172      00:22:25:13      00:22:30:20

because they acted a certain way, used a

certain language and did certain things.

 

0173      00:24:10:02      00:24:16:10

At some point, I think it was in eighth

or ninth grade, he wore a suit to school.

 

0174      00:24:17:11      00:24:23:01

He would have the works of Karl Marx

with him.

 

0175      00:24:23:04      00:24:26:24

I haven't often met a person...

 

0176      00:24:27:02      00:24:32:12

so politically dedicated to an ideology

at the age of fourteen.

 

0177      00:24:32:15      00:24:36:05

And then at the last year

before the incident...

 

0178      00:24:36:08      00:24:40:03

some of his classmates told me...

 

0179      00:24:40:06      00:24:43:22

that he had shifted from communism

to national socialism.

 

0180      00:24:44:00      00:24:52:02

If you look at the ideologies, they

seem quite similar in some respect...

 

0181      00:24:52:05      00:24:57:11

but I still couldn't help asking him how

he could change his views so drastically.

 

0182      00:24:57:14      00:25:02:05

I recall him answering

that he wasn't in favour of either...

 

0183      00:25:02:08      00:25:05:17

that he was just studying

these ideologies.

 

0184      00:25:07:07      00:25:13:03

I think he didn't think that a political ideal

would have been something concrete...

 

0185      00:25:13:06      00:25:16:00

that is introduced in a social system.

 

0186      00:25:16:03      00:25:22:10

Perhaps he considered political ideologies

as philosophical mental constructs.

 

0187      00:25:23:15      00:25:29:00

When we discussed North Korea in class,

he had a terribly...

 

0188      00:25:30:11      00:25:34:02

idealised view towards the system

in North Korea.

 

0189      00:25:34:05      00:25:42:00

And that didn't fit in my head at all,

me being the kind of humanist I am.

 

0190      00:25:42:03      00:25:47:17

So I sometimes stuck to a point

and debated him on the subject.

 

0191      00:25:47:20      00:25:54:00

He was quite unshakable in his opinions.

He couldn't admit he could be wrong...

 

0192      00:25:54:03      00:25:57:22

or that there would be anything

to rectify in his opinions.

 

0193      00:25:58:00      00:26:04:07

He even had a stubborn attitude

towards some of my witty remarks.

 

0194      00:26:05:19      00:26:07:18

But, well...

 

0195      00:26:09:03      00:26:16:01

he had this idea

that dictatorship is good...

 

0196      00:26:16:04      00:26:22:14

and that people could be oppressed

to serve a system...

 

0197      00:26:22:17      00:26:25:02

without human rights whatsoever.

 

0198      00:26:25:05      00:26:31:21

And most people of that age don't

even stop to think about such things.

 

0199      00:26:31:24      00:26:36:20

But some people

questioned his ideas...

 

0200      00:26:36:23      00:26:40:00

so he got attention from others.

 

0201      00:26:40:03      00:26:48:01

But he rarely got any support

from others in the discussions.

 

0202      00:26:48:22      00:26:52:14

Still, he wasn't willing to back down

on his opinions.

 

0203  00:27:08:11 00:27:13:07

democracy: dictatorship of the moral majority which is manipulated by the state mafia

0204  00:27:13:10 00:27:17:15
modern western democracy has nothing to do with freedom of justice

0205  00:27:17:18 00:27:20:17
it is a totalitarian and corrupted system

0206  00:27:20:20 00:27:25:19
equality: it doesn’t exist

0207  00:27:25:22 00:27:30:23
political correctness: lame

 

0208  00:27:31:01 00:27:35:24
government: legalized mafia

 

0209  00:27:36:02 00:27:40:04
morals:... are relative!  

 

0210      00:28:08:20      00:28:13:19

He was just a normal guy.

He didn't seem special in any way.

 

0211      00:28:13:22      00:28:20:23

One thing that stood out

was his long leather coat.

 

0212      00:28:21:01      00:28:22:19

That stood out a little.

 

0213      00:28:22:22      00:28:26:17

So maybe he was a bit quirky...

 

0214      00:28:26:20      00:28:30:01

but nothing really special.

 

0215  00:28:31:09 00:28:36:07
And you weren’t bullying him?

 

0216      00:28:33:19      00:28:36:07

No, I didn't notice.

 

0217  00:28:38:12 00:28:44:08
Did people have a certain way of talking about him? Was he...

 

0218      00:28:44:11      00:28:48:13

No, I hadn't heard any

specific rumours about him.

 

0219  00:28:51:01 00:28:54:20
So, do you have any idea why he did it?

 

0220      00:28:58:16      00:29:03:20

I don't think anything can drive a person

into doing something like that.

 

0221      00:29:07:04      00:29:12:23

I'm not sure whether

Pekka was alienated...

 

0222      00:29:13:01      00:29:18:06

because I know he had friends at school,

even good friends.

 

0223      00:29:19:06      00:29:23:16

I can't remember who his friends were...

 

0224      00:29:24:23      00:29:30:20

but he did have friends, though. And I don't

think he was bullied more than others.

 

0225      00:29:31:22      00:29:36:15

Not that much. I mean, everyone

is bullied at school in some way.

 

0226      00:29:37:14      00:29:40:19

But, yeah.

 

0227  00:29:43:02 00:29:48:22
Do you think he was oversensitive to teasing?

 

0228      00:29:50:08      00:29:55:18

Yes, I think Pekka was oversensitive.

 

0229      00:29:55:21      00:30:02:07

I don't know if it is because

of relationships at home...

 

0230      00:30:02:10      00:30:07:00

or some trauma that happened

in his childhood or something...

 

0231      00:30:07:03      00:30:12:23

from which you can be traumatized

or something.

 

0232      00:30:13:01      00:30:17:07

But he reacted very strongly

to teasing somehow.

 

0233      00:30:21:02      00:30:25:10

I heard about the bullying...

 

0234      00:30:25:13      00:30:32:17

and that there had been remarkably

more bullying during middle school.

 

0235      00:30:33:13      00:30:39:15

Our school is a good place,

in that sense...

 

0236      00:30:39:18      00:30:43:07

I'm starting my twelfth year

in this school next autumn.

 

0237      00:30:43:10      00:30:48:12

I think I have witnessed only one fight

during those twelve years in this school.

 

0238      00:30:48:15      00:30:52:00

When I was in school,

we had fights every break...

 

0239      00:30:52:03      00:30:55:19

so it was a total wild west

compared to this sanctuary.

 

0240      00:30:55:22      00:31:01:19

So if there was bullying, you'd hear about it,

but you didn't exactly see it happen.

 

0241      00:31:01:22      00:31:08:09

So either the students who did it,

were very artful and sneaky...

 

0242      00:31:08:12      00:31:12:00

or there was not as much of it

as was suggested.

 

0243      00:31:12:03      00:31:20:00

I did hear that since his opinions

on certain matters were rather radical...

 

0244      00:31:20:03      00:31:25:24

some of his friends clearly picked him

on the subject a bit...

 

0245      00:31:26:02      00:31:29:11

but it wasn't in a mean way.

 

0246      00:31:29:14      00:31:36:16

It was typical for boys of that age.

 

0247      00:31:36:19      00:31:41:11

You may see it as teasing,

but there is no intention to hurt the other.

 

0248  00:32:12:01 00:32:17:08
anarcho-evolutionism: natural selection & survival of the fittest

0249      00:32:17:11      00:32:21:15

only human that are intelligent, self-aware, capable of defending themselves

 

0250      00:32:21:18      00:32:25:14

and living in harmony with surroundings environment, should be allowed to live

 

0251      00:32:25:17      00:32:31:20

they should be allowed to life their lives freely (without oppression, control or brainwashing of any kind)

 

0252      00:32:31:23      00:32:33:21

and reproduce

 

0253      00:32:33:24      00:32:38:23

individuals are different and they determine their own codes of conduct, law, opinions etc

 

0254      00:32:39:01      00:32:43:12

antihuman humanism: humans are just a species among other animals

 

0255      00:32:43:15      00:32:47:13

and the world does not exist only for humans

 

0256      00:32:47:16      00:32:51:21

death is not a tragedy, it happens in nature all the time between all species

 

0257      00:32:51:24      00:32:54:17

not all human lives are important or worth saving

 

0258      00:32:54:20      00:32:58:17

only superior, intelligent, self-aware & strong-minded individuals should survive

 

0259      00:32:58:20      00:33:04:07

while inferior, stupid, retarded and weak-minded masses should perish (or be enslaved)

 

0260      00:33:10:06      00:33:18:16

Of course there were rumours

that Pekka was bullied

 

0261      00:33:18:19      00:33:21:09

But that's quite a difficult issue...

 

0262      00:33:21:12      00:33:27:01

and hard to notice,

but I sensed such atmosphere.

 

0263      00:33:27:04      00:33:31:21

We know it doesn't take that much

to get bullied at school...

 

0264      00:33:31:24      00:33:35:19

or wherever that phenomenon occurs.

 

0265      00:33:45:21      00:33:52:12

There was this story that Pekka...

 

0266      00:33:53:11      00:33:59:02

Pekka's former teacher had phoned

Pekka's parents to ask them to meet.

 

0267      00:33:59:05      00:34:03:22

He said to Pekka's parents and Pekka...

 

0268      00:34:04:00      00:34:07:16

that it would be good

if he dressed like the others.

 

0269      00:34:08:21      00:34:13:17

If he wore jeans,

Pekka would fit in better...

 

0270      00:34:13:20      00:34:19:19

and people wouldn't bully him because

of being different...

 

0271      00:34:19:22      00:34:22:17

especially with boys of that age.

 

0272      00:34:23:05      00:34:27:00

But his parents didn't agree at all.

 

0273      00:34:27:03      00:34:34:02

He kept wearing straight pants throughout

primary school and elementary school.

 

0274      00:34:34:24      00:34:40:12

The story doesn't tell what Pekka

himself wanted, though.

 

0275      00:34:40:15      00:34:47:14

But the teacher surely tried to

discuss several times...

 

0276      00:34:48:12      00:34:53:01

how to 'make it by easily'

in the school world...

 

0277      00:34:53:04      00:34:55:14

with friends and such.

 

0278      00:35:20:10      00:35:27:19

Well, personally I blame myself

for everything.

 

0279      00:35:32:08      00:35:37:23

We are built in such a way that when

something as horrible as this happens...

 

0280      00:35:38:01      00:35:42:13

you go through your whole life history.

 

0281      00:35:43:17      00:35:48:11

You always wonder what you could have

done differently.

 

0282      00:35:51:09      00:35:56:14

They attacked him and threw him

across the halls and things like that.

 

0283      00:35:56:17      00:36:01:23

Both physical and mental assault.

 

0284      00:36:02:01      00:36:05:04

They called him names...

 

0285      00:36:05:07      00:36:10:06

and once they shot Pekka with a BB gun

when he was on his way home...

 

0286      00:36:10:09      00:36:13:17

and pointed a laser pen at his eyes.

 

0287      00:36:15:18      00:36:21:10

They wrote things on the blackboard

and then the whole class would laugh.

 

0288      00:36:21:13      00:36:24:09

In the end,

he didn't have a single friend.

 

0289      00:36:24:12      00:36:28:23

No one would even go outside

with him or play videogames.

 

0290      00:36:29:01      00:36:33:14

It was sad. Those years in lower

secondary school were very hard.

 

0291      00:36:33:17      00:36:41:12

For a few years he had no friends at all.

During holidays he would ask:

 

0292      00:36:41:15      00:36:45:21

'Mum, why don't I have any friends? '

 

0293      00:36:45:24      00:36:52:00

You can't buy a friend in the shops

and you can't order them by mail.

 

0294      00:36:52:03      00:36:55:24

We did think really hard

where we could find friends.

 

0295      00:36:56:02      00:36:59:12

Any hobbies where he

could find friends.

 

0296      00:36:59:15      00:37:05:12

We tried to come up with all kinds

of things and made suggestions...

 

0297      00:37:05:15      00:37:11:09

but Pekka wasn't interested in the things

young people of his age usually do.

 

0298      00:37:11:12      00:37:15:02

In that sense, he was unusual.

 

0299      00:37:25:23      00:37:30:19

Pekka was a bit ridiculed

by my friends as well.

 

0300      00:37:32:23      00:37:37:01

And I admit I did ease along with it.

 

0301      00:37:37:04      00:37:41:21

But it was such a small-scale thing,

everyone made remarks to Pekka.

 

0302      00:37:41:24      00:37:47:03

I didn't intervene

as I didn't know him in any way.

 

0303      00:37:49:20      00:37:54:20

I had heard that he was a communist,

and people often called him that.

 

0304      00:37:54:23      00:37:59:14

That's what you heard people saying

at school from time to time.

 

0305      00:37:59:17      00:38:02:08

'There goes the communist again',

or something.

 

0306      00:38:02:11      00:38:06:04

And Pekka didn't really

make this easier for himself.

 

0307      00:38:06:07      00:38:11:24

He would sometimes have Lenin's

Red Book with him at school.

 

0308      00:38:12:02      00:38:16:19

Or some other communist books.

 

0309      00:38:16:22      00:38:23:10

It wasn't just a rumor

but he actually really read them.

 

0310      00:38:23:13      00:38:30:04

He also had this briefcase.

A black leather briefcase, I recall.

 

0311      00:38:30:07      00:38:34:21

A bit like one you could imagine

a professor carrying around.

 

0312      00:38:34:24      00:38:39:16

That stands out when you compare

it to kids wearing Nike sneakers...

 

0313      00:38:39:19      00:38:43:02

and carrying an Adidas backpack

or something.

 

0314      00:38:43:05      00:38:47:12

'The briefcase man', 'the communist',

'the Nazi'.

 

0315      00:38:47:15      00:38:49:24

That's what people called him.

 

0316      00:38:50:02      00:38:54:07

He was also ridiculed

because he had this tendency to blush.

 

0317      00:38:54:10      00:38:59:08

So you could approach him

in the corridor and say something...

 

0318      00:38:59:11      00:39:02:13

and he might get very

flustered over it.

 

0319      00:39:02:16      00:39:09:15

One time when I was walking

in the corridor with my friend...

 

0320      00:39:09:18      00:39:14:04

and there was this stupid idea,

that young people get at times.

 

0321      00:39:14:07      00:39:17:23

We said hi to Pekka

in a very friendly way.

 

0322      00:39:18:01      00:39:21:20

We just said 'hi, Pekka', or something.

 

0323      00:39:21:23      00:39:29:03

We didn't have any evil intentions but we

just wanted to see how he would react.

 

0324      00:39:29:06      00:39:33:01

Pekka got very flustered.

 

0325      00:39:33:04      00:39:38:08

He looked at us, and

then looked away and blushed a little.

 

0326      00:39:38:11      00:39:40:23

And he just quickly walked on.

 

0327      00:39:43:22      00:39:47:24

I'm sure it has made his parents worried.

 

0328      00:39:48:02      00:39:52:18

They have often contacted the school.

So he got this momma's boy reputation.

 

0329      00:39:52:21      00:39:58:20

'Always squealing and telling his

parents when something happens.'

 

0330      00:39:58:23      00:40:04:00

Then his parents would come and

intervene. So things escalated.

 

0331      00:40:13:01      00:40:19:11

I now feel so bad about the bullying,

even if Pekka was a bad person.

 

0332      00:40:19:14      00:40:23:16

But I wanted to hang out with

older students and be cool.

 

0333      00:40:23:19      00:40:26:04

Especially in the eyes of boys.

 

0334      00:40:27:09      00:40:35:20

I knew people who bullied Pekka

who went on all different talk shows...

 

0335      00:40:35:23      00:40:40:18

talking about how they had been Pekka's

friends and that there was no bullying.

 

0336      00:40:40:21      00:40:43:23

And that something just snapped

in Pekka's head.

 

0337      00:40:44:18      00:40:50:21

The truth is that they were absolutely

horrible to him and are now lying.

 

0338      00:40:50:24      00:40:58:06

They didn't only call him names. They

had tried to humiliate him at parties.

 

0339      00:40:58:22      00:41:04:03

Sometimes they were friendly to Pekka,

but later they just excluded him...

 

0340      00:41:04:06      00:41:06:17

and were not his friends.

 

0341      00:41:08:02      00:41:11:21

I do understand how horrible

it must have been for Pekka.

 

0342      00:41:11:24      00:41:14:17

He thought these people

were his friends...

 

0343      00:41:14:20      00:41:18:13

but would never know how they

were going to act in school or at parties.

 

0344      00:41:19:13      00:41:25:12

I feel that some people enjoyed watching

Pekka's loneliness and suffering.

 

0345      00:41:40:18      00:41:44:16

I feel Pekka was a bit like...

 

0346      00:41:44:19      00:41:49:07

he had this invisible wall around him...

 

0347      00:41:49:10      00:41:55:09

so that things couldn't reach him.

 

0348      00:41:55:12      00:42:00:07

And I feel that I didn't connect

with him.

 

0349      00:42:01:04      00:42:05:09

So it was a

professional relationship.

 

0350      00:42:05:12      00:42:09:15

With most students,

it is a professional relationship.

 

0351      00:42:09:18      00:42:12:22

I don't know if you understand

what I mean.

 

0352      00:42:13:00      00:42:19:15

It's not like I get to know a pupil and stay

in touch for the rest of our life.

 

0353      00:42:20:15      00:42:25:21

I hate to say this, but it isn't even possible

for me to know my own child that well...

 

0354      00:42:26:15      00:42:34:03

...that my child couldn't plan, think or do

something like that without me knowing.

 

0355      00:43:07:09      00:43:13:14

It was only afterwards that I read

weird stuff about him.

 

0356      00:43:16:24      00:43:22:08

A while before the shooting I saw a video

he had published on YouTube.

 

0357      00:43:22:11      00:43:27:01

Maybe that was a week before.

 

0358      00:43:32:19      00:43:39:09

In one video he had just filmed

the school from outside...

 

0359      00:43:39:12      00:43:45:23

and in one video, he shot an apple

or something like that.

 

0360      00:43:53:00      00:44:00:08

I thought: What a clown.

Why does he post things like that.

 

0361      00:44:00:11      00:44:06:15

I thought that... I think I had seen it

before the shooting...

 

0362      00:44:06:18      00:44:10:11

so I wondered

why he posted things like that.

 

0363      00:44:10:14      00:44:14:06

Things he wouldn't do anyway.

 

0364      00:44:16:11      00:44:18:20

It didn't make any sense.

 

0365      00:44:18:23      00:44:25:16

I just thought that he wouldn't do those

things, and then I forgot about the videos.

 

0366      00:44:27:14      00:44:29:04

It was...

 

0367      00:44:31:00      00:44:33:23

in the autumn of 2007...

 

0368      00:44:34:23      00:44:37:19

I clearly noticed...

 

0369      00:44:39:00      00:44:47:02

that the shooter had changed.

He didn't attend my classes.

 

0370      00:44:47:18      00:44:52:09

And if I addressed him,

he appeared...

 

0371      00:44:52:12      00:44:58:07

I didn't think about it then, of course.

Many things clarify in hindsight.

 

0372      00:44:58:10      00:45:01:14

So I thought that...

 

0373      00:45:01:17      00:45:05:15

Yes, he was, clearly distraught.

 

0374      00:45:05:18      00:45:10:11

And clearly unwell at the time.

 

0375      00:45:11:20      00:45:15:23

But, then again, on the other hand...

 

0376      00:45:16:01      00:45:21:08

not all things in a student's life

are a teacher's business.

 

0377      00:45:22:11      00:45:28:12

And you assume that

if a young person has problems...

 

0378      00:45:28:15      00:45:33:03

he will talk about it with a grown-up.

 

0379      00:45:33:06      00:45:38:22

I'm afraid to intrude

in young people's lives.

 

0380      00:45:39:00      00:45:43:23

You might bring up something

they don't want to talk about.

 

0381      00:45:45:10      00:45:50:05

So, not even the friends had seen that.

 

0382      00:45:51:01      00:45:56:02

Maybe only during the very

last two days before the shooting...

 

0383      00:45:57:05      00:46:01:19

a few friends had learnt

that Pekka had acquired a hand gun.

 

0384      00:46:03:24      00:46:12:01

I remember the two or three

students who knew about the gun...

 

0385      00:46:12:04      00:46:15:01

right before the massacre...

 

0386      00:46:15:04      00:46:19:19

might blame themselves

for not reacting to him buying a gun.

 

0387      00:46:19:22      00:46:27:18

It's not the first thing you think of when

your friend has acquired a handgun...

 

0389      00:46:27:21      00:46:32:17

that he would do such a thing

that took place here.

 

0390      00:46:33:20      00:46:37:03

These things become clear later.

 

0391      00:48:14:01      00:48:18:22

He asked pretty normal questions.

-He was a typical person buying a gun.

 

0392      00:48:19:00      00:48:24:07

He asked perfectly normal things. Things

you ask when you buy your first gun.

 

0393      00:48:26:12      00:48:28:14

What did he ask?

 

0394      00:48:30:12      00:48:35:00

He asked about the basic instructions.

-How the gun works.

 

0395      00:48:35:03      00:48:41:06

He bought cleaning equipment for it

and cheap bullets.

 

0396      00:48:41:09      00:48:48:09

People buying their first gun always buy

lots of rounds, it's cheaper in bulk.

 

0397      00:48:50:04      00:48:54:02

No, nothing noteworthy came up.

 

0398      00:48:54:05      00:48:58:05

I don't think

any abnormal question was asked.

 

0399      00:48:58:08      00:49:00:08

No, not at all, nothing.

 

0400  00:49:01:11 00:49:04:13
How many bullets did he buy?

 

0401      00:49:04:16      00:49:09:06

As I recall, 1000.

-1000 or 1500.

 

0402      00:49:09:09      00:49:14:18

Either or. Roughly.

I think it was two boxes of 500.

 

0403      00:49:18:01      00:49:24:12

I could add one thing. The gun he bought

was a very popular gun for a first gun.

 

0404      00:49:24:15      00:49:27:24

I mean, it was this hot item.

-It was affordable.

 

0405      00:49:28:02      00:49:30:10

A brand gun.

-Yes.

 

0406      00:49:30:13      00:49:38:03

At that time quite modern, ahead of its

time, a futuristic gun, so it was popular.

 

0407      00:49:45:10      00:49:48:05

I understood he was trying

to find a 9mm gun.

 

0408      00:49:48:08      00:49:55:20

I think he would have caused less damage,

less killing, with a 9mm...

 

0409      00:49:55:23      00:50:00:18

than with a 22mm gun.

-It has much more recoil.

 

0410      00:50:00:21      00:50:06:24

It requires much more practice.

Much more practice.

 

0411      00:50:07:02      00:50:11:06

We have been shooting

from the age of seven or eight.

 

0412      00:50:11:09      00:50:15:18

That's completely different from someone

who has been practicing a few weeks.

 

0413 00:50:19:07 00:50:22:21
How did the community react to you?

 

0414      00:50:24:05      00:50:28:06

Obviously we got blamed.

-We got lots of blame.

 

0415      00:50:28:09      00:50:34:11

Also on a national level,

so like the whole...

 

0416      00:50:34:14      00:50:38:13

The whole country.

-Everyone thought it was our fault.

 

0417      00:50:38:16      00:50:43:20

Yes. Everyone pointed their finger at us.

The villagers as well.

 

0418      00:50:43:23      00:50:48:08

We received threat letters,

and also these...

 

0419      00:50:49:24      00:50:56:18

postcards with all kinds of insults,

slander. Slandering postcards.

 

0420      00:50:56:21      00:51:00:20

Some person who lived in Jokela

came up to me and spat on me.

 

0421      00:51:00:23      00:51:05:04

People shouted at us,

calling us killers and... It was quite...

 

0422      00:51:06:10      00:51:09:09

It was quite short-sighted,

in my opinion.

 

0423  00:51:11:01 00:51:13:02
Do you feel guilty at all?

 

0424      00:51:13:05      00:51:15:18

No.

-No, no guilt in any way.

 

0425      00:51:17:05      00:51:20:11

We have nothing to do with this.

 

0426      00:51:21:09      00:51:25:17

Nothing at all.

-The guilty party is the one who shoots.

 

0427      00:51:25:20      00:51:31:06

We are not involved in any way. He could

have bought the gun anywhere else.

 

0428      00:51:37:02      00:51:43:05

When someone is in such a bad state

of mind, like Pekka...

 

0429      00:51:43:08      00:51:48:06

they will not abandon the plan

if the police refuses a gun permit.

 

0430      00:51:48:09      00:51:51:05

At that stage a person is so deep

in the throes of mental problems...

 

0431      00:51:52:17      00:51:58:10

that surely he will figure out a way.

 

0432      00:52:10:02      00:52:14:20

He asked if Pekka was at home

or if Pekka's gun was at the house.

 

0433      00:52:15:15      00:52:20:19

At that point it felt as if I was hit with

a sledge hammer. What gun?

 

0434      00:52:22:01      00:52:24:13

We had no idea of him having a gun.

 

0435      00:52:26:12      00:52:31:20

His friends at school

already knew about it then, earlier.

 

0436      00:52:31:23      00:52:34:10

Pekka had talked about it at school.

 

0437      00:52:34:13      00:52:40:13

He bought it on the preceding Friday,

according to the receipt you found.

 

0438      00:52:40:16      00:52:46:00

I found it in his room,

in the desk drawer.

 

0439      00:52:46:03      00:52:48:24

I went to search some more there.

 

0440      00:52:50:00      00:52:57:07

And then I found

the last letter Pekka had left us.

 

0441      00:52:58:10      00:53:02:08

It was placed on the computer desk.

 

0442      00:53:03:17      00:53:08:06

The letter started with:

'To my father, mother and brother'.

 

0443      00:53:09:12      00:53:12:24

And then I turned it around

and read it and after that...

 

0444      00:53:14:13      00:53:16:09

...I went into shock.

 

0445      00:53:30:07      00:53:34:18

It was told in the media

that he had mental issues...

 

0446      00:53:34:21      00:53:39:00

and he had tried to get help...

 

0447      00:53:39:03      00:53:43:21

and that he had problems finding it.

 

0448      00:53:43:24      00:53:50:01

Personally I've also

thought about the case...

 

0449      00:53:50:04      00:53:55:21

and many symptoms of the spectrum

of autism showed up.

 

0450      00:53:55:24      00:54:01:07

I thought he showed ways

of thinking similar to autists.

 

0451      00:54:04:22      00:54:11:11

Based on the material

that was available to the public...

 

0452      00:54:11:14      00:54:13:02

I thought...

 

0453      00:54:13:05      00:54:20:17

that there had been a lot of discussion

on the way he dressed...

 

0454      00:54:20:20      00:54:26:14

and his way of speaking to people.

 

0455      00:54:28:09      00:54:32:00

He had difficulties in social life...

 

0456      00:54:32:03      00:54:38:14

and isolated himself from his peers.

 

0457      00:54:38:17      00:54:43:23

He also had a special interest

in ideologies and philosophies...

 

0458      00:54:44:01      00:54:47:16

that allow the use of violence

in conflict situations.

 

0459      00:54:54:21      00:55:01:06

What was called 'shyness' can be many

kinds of things. A person can be timid...

 

0460      00:55:01:09      00:55:05:18

or there might be anxiety,

fear of social situations...

 

0461      00:55:05:21      00:55:09:21

though people in the autistic spectrum

may exhibit symptoms like that...

 

0462      00:55:09:24      00:55:14:14

who often have certain

difficulties in relationships...

 

0463      00:55:14:17      00:55:19:08

which may appear as what is called

shyness in everyday situations.

 

0464      00:55:32:06      00:55:37:06

In our own research, where we examined

about eighty similar medical histories...

 

0465      00:55:37:09      00:55:42:02

where young people had threatened

to commit massacres...

 

0466      00:55:42:05      00:55:47:04

in many cases the problems

of the autistic spectrum rose up.

 

0467      00:55:48:19      00:55:51:10

I believe it is tied with autism

in a sense that...

 

0468      00:55:51:13      00:55:58:22

Being autistic means that an individual

has problems in social situations.

 

0469      00:55:59:00      00:56:02:11

Difficulty to express oneself,

in making contact...

 

0470      00:56:02:14      00:56:06:02

and also a difficulty

in interpreting others correctly.

 

0471      00:56:06:05      00:56:10:09

The communicational problems

exist in both directions...

 

0472      00:56:10:12      00:56:16:04

and adolescence is a stage

in which relationships are crucial.

 

0473      00:56:16:07      00:56:20:05

If you don't succeed in that,

if you remain an outsider...

 

0474      00:56:20:08      00:56:23:13

it might provoke aggression problems...

 

0475      00:56:23:16      00:56:29:19

and in extreme situations, it makes

one feel drawn to revenge fantasies...

 

0476      00:56:29:22      00:56:34:16

and you might manifest thoughts

about power and other things like that.

 

0477      00:56:34:19      00:56:37:16

That is how I see

autism is related to this.

 

0478      00:56:44:05      00:56:52:06

Pekka was diagnosed with a panic

disorder. A fear of social situations.

 

0479      00:56:52:09      00:56:57:00

That's true, but depression, for example,

was never diagnosed.

 

0480      00:56:57:03      00:57:03:23

He was also prescribed medicine for this...

 

0481      00:57:04:01      00:57:08:08

but that didn't seem to help much.

 

0482      00:57:08:11      00:57:15:12

I have asked if he could be referred

to this adolescent psychiatric clinic...

 

0483      00:57:15:15      00:57:18:20

to get therapy along with it.

 

0484      00:57:18:23      00:57:25:24

The doctor said 'no, there's

a six-month waiting time there'.

 

0485      00:57:26:02      00:57:31:18

And what Pekka had been diagnosed with

was too mild to get admitted.

 

0486      00:57:31:21      00:57:35:05

We just needed to increase the doses.

 

0487      00:57:35:08      00:57:39:09

I remember thinking

that we were left on our own...

 

0488      00:57:39:12      00:57:44:16

and that we had to try

and offer support here at home...

 

0489      00:57:44:19      00:57:48:05

and somehow manage with the medication.

 

0490      00:57:48:08      00:57:50:23

Pekka never said he wanted to...

 

0491      00:57:51:01      00:57:56:19

He never spoke about hurting himself

or anybody else.

 

0492      00:57:57:21      00:58:05:12

I thought that if he truly was a mild case,

as the doctors said, we shouldn't worry.

 

0493  00:58;14;20 00:58:20:08
Hello everyone, this is me, NaturalSelector89, talking to you.

 

0494      00:58:21:07      00:58:24:00

Friends and haters and everyone else. 

 

0495      00:58:27:16      00:58:33:05

I got this idea of making an introduction video to my channel.

 

0496      00:58:34:17      00:58:40:01

Since I already have over 130 videos.

 

0497      00:58:40:04      00:58:45:07

And not an introduction video yet, so I guess it’s good time to make one.

 

0498      00:58:51:02      00:58:55:06

And this is it, an introduction video for my channel.

 

0499      00:59:01:19      00:59:04:15

I guess I have not much to say right now...

 

0500      00:59:04:18      00:59:11:05

But I will make more talking videos in the future.

 

0501      00:59:11:08      00:59:16:23

Until then I will continue making my usual videos.

 

0502      00:59:17:01      00:59:19:24

Which I hope you have enjoyed.

 

0503      00:59:51:02      00:59:56:16

We were both on this website called IRC-Galleria.

Which is kind of like a Facebook.

 

0504      00:59:56:19      01:00:01:17

And we had both liked the group that was called Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris.

 

0505      01:00:01:20      01:00:04:10

So that is where we started talking to each other. 

 

0506      01:00:05:22      01:00:08:17

Can you describe what Klebold and Harris is?

 

0507      01:00:08:20      01:00:13:09

Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were the shooters of Columbine.

 

0508      01:00:14:10      01:00:17:20

And why were you interested in that?

 

0509      01:00:18:20      01:00:24:15

In a way it’s kind of interesting to see how people who are...

 

0510      01:00:24:18      01:00:32:16

In the beginning everyone is the same, everyone gets born and learns how to walk and talk and eat and all that.

 

0511      01:00:32:19      01:00:37:20

But at some point, something goes so wrong that they end up killing other people...

 

0512      01:00:37:23      01:00:39:08

or do something else.

 

0513      01:00:39:11      01:00:46:24

I find it really interesting that someone who comes from the same background as everyone else...

 

0514      01:00:47:02      01:00:49:16

goes through something like that.

 

0515      01:00:59:01      01:01:03:09

We had a very long conversation on the fifth of November.

 

0516      01:01:04:11      01:01:11:09

And he started the conversation with, I am full of hate and I love it.

Which is something that Eric Harris said.

 

0517      01:01:11:12      01:01:14:06

And he said something like...

 

0518      01:01:17:09      01:01:20:18

I’m thinking about doing it.

 

0519      01:01:20:21      01:01:26:08

He didn’t mention a school shooting or anything yet.

He just said that he was thinking about doing it.

 

0520      01:01:26:11      01:01:31:15

And I replied with: yes, that was kind of what I was afraid of.

 

0521      01:01:32:15      01:01:37:14

Because I saw the picture of the gun and all that.

 

0522      01:01:55:04      01:02:01:23

Then we were just talking... I was asking him more details about it, to see if he was serious.

 

0523      01:02:02:01      01:02:05:08

I was asking when are you going to do it?

 

0524      01:02:05:11      01:02:11:06

And he replied with: Yesterday I thought I was going to do it today, and today I think I’m going to do it tomorrow.

 

0525      01:02:11:09      01:02:17:15

First I thought that he wasn’t really serious about it.

 

0526      01:02:18:19      01:02:23:02

I asked him if he had a plan.

           

0527      01:02:23:05      01:02:29:15

He said that his goal is to kill one to five people if he was lucky.

 

0528      01:02:32:01      01:02:34:20

And even more when he is really lucky.

 

0529      01:02:34:23      01:02:40:06

Then he said that he was going to set the principal’s office on fire.

 

0530      01:02:42:24      01:02:50:06

And at that point, when he said about setting it on fire, I kind of thought that he wasn’t serious. That he was just like...

 

0531      01:02:52:08      01:02:57:04

talking, because it seemed so absurd.

 

0532      01:02:57:07      01:03:00:05

Set your principal’s office on fire.

 

0533      01:03:01:08      01:03:04:17

We had a really long conversation.

 

0534      01:03:09:21      01:03:14:14

I didn’t think he was serious that night.

 

0535      01:03:14:17      01:03:21:09

The day after that, he came online and we talked again.

 

0536      01:03:21:12      01:03:23:16

And he seemed...

 

0537      01:03:24:21      01:03:27:14

Just different.
I don’t know how to say it.

 

0538      01:03:28:24      01:03:32:08

He was using a lot of shorter sentences.

 

0539      01:03:32:11      01:03:36:14

Because usually he was using a lot of words...

 

0540      01:03:36:17      01:03:40:24

And debate about stuff.

 

0541      01:03:41:02      01:03:47:12

But on that day it was just like, he seemed kind of nervous I think.

 

0542      01:03:47:15      01:03:53:20

And he ended it with, I need to go think. Good night.  

 

0543      01:03:57:12      01:04:00:07

And that was the last time I talked to him.

 

0544      01:04:12:23      01:04:17:17

Out of the night that covers me,
black as the pit from pole to pole.

 

0545      01:04:17:20      01:04:23:14

I thank whatever gods may be
for my unconquerable soul

 

0546      01:04:23:17      01:04:30:10

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud

 

0547      01:04:30:13      01:04:36:15

Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed

 

0548      01:04:38:08      01:04:44:12

Beyond this place of wrath and tears

Looms but the Horror of the shade,

 

0549      01:04:45:21      01:04:51:19

And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find me, unafraid

 

0550      01:04:53:07      01:04:56:23

It matters not how strait the gate

 

0551      01:04:57:24      01:05:01:06

How charged with punishments the scroll

 

0552      01:05:01:12      01:05:04:08

I am the master of my fate:

 

0553      01:05:04:11      01:05:07:16

I am the captain of my soul

 

0554      01:05:18:24      01:05:26:10

A few years ago, there was an article,

'Pekka-Eric Auvinen's last summer'.

 

0555      01:05:26:13      01:05:33:14

It was about Pekka's relationship

with this girl on the internet.

 

0556      01:05:34:15      01:05:39:00

She used the nickname 'tanascheel'.

 

0557      01:05:46:11      01:05:48:22

hi my dear,

I’m just dropping by your channel

 

0558      01:05:49:00      01:05:53:03

to tell you how amazing you are

and how much I truly love you

 

0559      01:05:53:06      01:05:56:04

I love you too my dear, and your beautiful channel

you are the most amazing person I have ever met

 

0560      01:05:56:07      01:05:59:07

and you mean very much to me

you are like a Goddess to me

 

0561      01:06:00:23      01:06:02:19

you are everything to me

 

0562      01:06:02:22      01:06:07:04

I love you so much

and you make me happier than I could describe

 

0563      01:06:07:07      01:06:13:05

I love you so much too, hard to

describe with words this feeling of mine

 

0564      01:06:13:15      01:06:18:17

He had found someone he wasn't able

to find in school...

 

0565      01:06:18:20      01:06:22:11

or in the physical world.

 

0566      01:06:22:14      01:06:27:23

Of course, the emotions became

very strong...

 

0567      01:06:28:01      01:06:33:21

and I believe it must've been one of the

most important relationships in his life.

 

0568      01:06:33:24      01:06:37:05

But it didn't end well.

 

0569      01:06:37:24      01:06:43:01

In my understanding,

this tanascheel...

 

0570      01:06:43:04      01:06:50:10

later turned out to have

ties to German royalty...

 

0571      01:06:50:13      01:06:56:11

who lived in Central Europe...

 

0572      01:06:56:14      01:07:02:03

she went to very expensive schools,

and was a little older than Pekka.

 

0573      01:07:02:06      01:07:07:06

She found someone else, it seemed.

 

0574      01:07:07:09      01:07:12:04

I can't remember,

but he was a neo-Nazi type of person.

 

0575      01:07:14:15      01:07:18:04

you are with Steve?

you are his girlfriend, he won your heart?

 

0576      01:07:18:07      01:07:21:07

I have seen how you send messages to each other

 

0577      01:07:21:10      01:07:25:02

you know why I have pains and why my heart and

mind is hurt and broken

 

0578      01:07:25:05      01:07:27:22

because you are still the woman I love

 

0579      01:07:28:00      01:07:31:19

I never had these emotions towards anyone

in my sad and boring life

 

0580      01:07:31:22      01:07:36:19

you made me free

you freed me from my prison of emotional apathy

 

0581      01:07:36:22      01:07:41:02

but all this is killing me, from inside

 

0582      01:07:43:03      01:07:45:07

NaturalSelector, I will always like you

 

0583      01:07:45:10      01:07:49:24

I mean you are (and were) my best friend

that’s not going to change

 

0584      01:07:50:02      01:07:54:17

okay well good

 

0585      01:07:55:17      01:07:59:10

so Steve is not your...

 

0586      01:07:59:13      01:08:03:12

NaturalSelector...

 

0587      01:08:04:17      01:08:10:22

so it is just slowing down?

and we can actually meet some day?

 

0588      01:08:11:00      01:08:15:21

I don’t know, we’ll see

 

0589      01:08:19:06      01:08:24:02

So there was this other person with

extremist ideas in some other country...

 

0590      01:08:24:05      01:08:29:17

with whom she started

the same kind of relationship...

 

0591      01:08:29:20      01:08:33:03

as with Pekka.

 

0592      01:08:34:10      01:08:39:18

And I believe this might have been

the last straw for him.

 

0593      01:08:40:17      01:08:46:23

The boy who treated this girl pretty well

suddenly vanishes altogether.

 

0594      01:08:47:01      01:08:50:24

He is now very angry,

and might even want to take revenge.

 

0595      01:09:19:19      01:09:22:22

congrats on the gun

 

0596      01:09:23:21      01:09:27:19

you only care about your fingernails,

rich and spoiled little girl

 

0597      01:09:27:22      01:09:33:13

have a happy life together, weakminded worthless bitch and superdupersuperdupermegasuperhypersuper aryanman

 

0598      01:09:33:16      01:09:36:21

'Sieg Heil' to your hilarious relationship

 

0599      01:09:36:24      01:09:41:18

I’m sure it lasts long like her

every other relationships in the past

 

0600      01:09:41:21      01:09:44:23

and now which are on

 

0601      01:09:47:06      01:09:50:16

get off her channel, you little cockmonger

no one gives a shit what you think

 

0602      01:09:50:19      01:09:52:19

or the simplistic views you have

 

0603      01:09:52:22      01:09:56:24

you are nothing, your thoughts are generic,

you are immature, pathetic, a joke

 

0604      01:09:57:02      01:10:00:15

I’ve actually laughed at you when I think about

the bullshit you peddle as provocative or scary

 

 

0605      01:10:00:18      01:10:03:02

you are scared and small-minded

you fucking sicken me

 

0606      01:10:03:05      01:10:05:09

piss off, you jealous little boy

 

0607      01:10:06:06      01:10:11:10

how are you and your bitch?

she sure is a cheap whore

 

0608      01:10:18:05      01:10:22:17

I know that on the morning

of the shooting...

 

0609      01:10:22:20      01:10:27:11

or at some point during the night

before the shooting...

 

0610      01:10:27:14      01:10:34:08

Pekka had sent an apology message

to tanascheel...

 

0611      01:10:34:11      01:10:41:23

and told her that he was very sorry,

that he didn't mean to hurt her...

 

0612      01:10:42:01      01:10:47:21

and that he's angry, because

he was so in love with her. And well...

 

0613      01:10:50:11      01:10:56:21

There was not much that could be done.

A few hours later Pekka has gone...

 

0614      01:10:56:24      01:11:00:04

and killed several other people

and himself.

 

0615      01:11:06:20      01:11:11:13

if you want me to accept your apology,

then do it correctly

 

0616      01:11:11:16      01:11:16:13

you said that shit publicly,

be a man and apologize publicly

 

0617      01:11:16:16      01:11:22:16

I unblocked you, but I can’t take your

fucking mood swings anymore

 

0618      01:11:22:19      01:11:26:04

if you go off like that again, that’s it

 

0619      01:11:27:07      01:11:32:03

I am actually sorry for everything and also sorry

that I have been behaving as lame as I did yesterday

 

0620      01:11:32:06      01:11:35:11

I realize it was actually not a very good idea

 

0621      01:11:36:09      01:11:39:06

I guess it is time to say goodbye now

I have my destiny to fulfill

 

0622      01:11:39:09      01:11:43:02

I’m quite sure I won’t be talking with you or anybody else anymore

 

0623      01:11:43:05      01:11:50:02

since I’m probably dead when you read this

 

0624      01:13:00:05      01:13:05:13

Only in the first year after the shooting

there was a memorial service...

 

0625      01:13:05:16      01:13:08:01

at the Jokela school.

 

0626      01:13:11:24      01:13:16:23

The representatives

of the municipal were present...

 

0627      01:13:17:01      01:13:20:11

as well as the representatives

of the crisis centre.

 

0628      01:13:22:09      01:13:25:03

But after that there

has been no memorials.

 

0629      01:13:26:20      01:13:28:14

If you know the date...

 

0630      01:13:28:17      01:13:34:08

you can find something to remember it by

in the cemetery.

 

0631      01:13:34:11      01:13:37:06

Grave stones.

 

0632      01:13:38:17      01:13:42:15

I think two of the victims

have been buried here.

 

0633      01:13:42:18      01:13:47:08

At least one of the victims,

but I think it was two.

 

0634      01:13:47:11      01:13:52:14

But that is the only sign of what happened.

 

0635      01:13:53:23      01:13:55:22

That I know about.

 

0636      01:13:56:00      01:14:03:09

Was there talk in the community

about making a big memorial

 

0637      01:14:03:12      01:14:06:07

in the center of town

to commemorate the attack?

 

0638      01:14:06:10      01:14:11:07

I haven't heard about it.

But I have thought about the same thing...

 

0639      01:14:11:10      01:14:17:03

because in front of the church,

we have an iron rail.

 

0640      01:14:17:06      01:14:24:04

That's a reminder of a railway accident

in 2006... No, in 1996...

 

0641      01:14:24:07      01:14:27:23

that took place in Jokela.

 

0642      01:14:28:01      01:14:31:16

So people wanted to place a memorial

for that in the churchyard...

 

0643      01:14:32:17      01:14:35:07

but not for the Jokela shooting.

 

0644      01:14:36:19      01:14:41:08

Why do you think that people do want to remember a railway accident

 

0645      01:14:41:11      01:14:45:23

But don’t want to remember a school killing?

 

0646      01:14:46:01      01:14:49:20

I wish I knew.

It is such a frightening incident.

 

0647      01:14:49:23      01:14:51:24

I don't know.

 

0648      01:15:18:23      01:15:23:19

It was maybe a week

after the shooting.

 

0649      01:15:23:22      01:15:28:09

They had been renovating the school

super fast, in that time.

 

0650      01:15:28:12      01:15:32:15

Covered the bullet holes, painted

the walls, repaired the windows...

 

0651      01:15:32:18      01:15:37:04

and tried to change the colors a little.

It was a bit weird.

 

0652      01:15:37:07      01:15:41:19

It was as if they were trying

to turn it into another school...

 

0653      01:15:41:22      01:15:47:00

so that we wouldn't associate it

with the shooting anymore.

 

0654      01:15:50:07      01:15:56:14

We had this gathering

a few days after the shooting...

 

0655      01:15:57:12      01:15:58:22

at school.

 

0656      01:15:59:00      01:16:03:14

We were at the Perttu school,

and there was a football match there.

 

0657      01:16:03:17      01:16:07:05

So the idea was to play football...

 

0658      01:16:07:08      01:16:12:00

and the idea was to forget

some of what had happened.

 

0659      01:16:13:20      01:16:18:00

And then they said

we would go to Sea Life.

 

0660      01:16:18:03      01:16:23:03

We would go bowling

and that kind of things.

 

0661      01:16:23:06      01:16:29:01

Different groups planned different

things that young people would like...

 

0662      01:16:29:04      01:16:33:18

to cheer us up and help us forget

about the trauma.

 

0663      01:16:57:06      01:17:02:23

The problem was

that I had lost a friend...

 

0664      01:17:03:01      01:17:07:11

and I was grieving.

 

0665      01:17:07:14      01:17:15:06

But at the school, or in the crowd,

you couldn't even show your suffering...

 

0666      01:17:15:09      01:17:20:23

because we were supposed

to be cheering ourselves up...

 

0667      01:17:21:01      01:17:23:21

and we had to forget what happened.

 

0668      01:17:25:05      01:17:30:15

There was no room for grief

during those outings.

 

0669      01:17:30:18      01:17:36:17

They were not able to understand

the people who had lost someone.

 

0670      01:17:36:20      01:17:42:21

It was even for me hard to say out loud:

"I'm having a hard time, don't you get it?"

 

0671      01:17:42:24      01:17:48:14

For them it was like: Something happened,

let's pretend it never happened.

 

0672      01:18:16:11      01:18:23:04

His father visited the store two or three...

-A few months after the shooting.

 

0673      01:18:23:07      01:18:26:15

When the shooting wasn't

in the papers every day anymore.

 

0674      01:18:26:18      01:18:34:02

Yes, when it wasn't in all headlines. He

came here very often, for about a year.

 

0675      01:18:34:05      01:18:37:05

Yes, about a year, yes.

 

0676      01:18:37:08      01:18:41:03

Not every day, but I think every week.

-Every week.

 

0677      01:18:41:06      01:18:44:05

Sometimes even on consecutive days.

 

0678      01:18:45:09      01:18:47:05

What did he do?

 

0679      01:18:48:10      01:18:53:15

That was the strange part.

He was very interested in guns.

 

0680      01:18:53:18      01:18:58:24

Pistols, especially, and we sold

many starting pistols then.

 

0681      01:18:59:02      01:19:03:02

He was interested in them

and bought a lot of them.

 

0682      01:19:04:15      01:19:08:13

He asked about certain technical

characteristics related to them.

 

0683      01:19:09:17      01:19:13:23

He collected quite many of them.

I think he bought some air guns, too.

 

0684      01:19:14:01      01:19:17:23

Yes, but mostly starting pistols.

-Yes.

 

0685      01:19:18:01      01:19:21:13

Did you ever ask why he was interested in those guns?

 

0686      01:19:21:16      01:19:25:01

No, we didn't ask.

-I didn't have the nerve.

 

0687      01:19:25:04      01:19:29:03

We didn't dare to ask

a question like that directly.

 

0688      01:19:29:06      01:19:34:19

But I guess that he was searching...

 

0689      01:19:37:07      01:19:42:17

for some kind of explanation or solution.

-Why did Pekka do what he did.

 

0690      01:19:42:20      01:19:50:12

It was his way of trying to understand

or cope with it...

 

0691      01:19:50:15      01:19:52:16

and to figure it out for himself.

 

0692      01:19:54:24      01:19:59:17

Did he ever say anything to you about the shooting?

 

0693      01:19:59:20      01:20:07:18

No, he didn't.

-Yes, to me he did, he mentioned it.

 

0694      01:20:08:14      01:20:13:07

He was emotional on that occasion.

I remember him talking.

 

0695      01:20:13:10      01:20:17:00

You were here too,

he had his family with him.

 

0696      01:20:17:03      01:20:21:10

I didn't see the kids.

-Okay, so I was alone.

 

0697      01:20:21:13      01:20:29:02

He told me straight away

that he didn't blame us in any way...

 

0698      01:20:29:05      01:20:31:07

for what happened.

 

0699      01:20:31:10      01:20:39:14

It was as if he had to get it off

his chest, the fact that he didn't blame us.

 

0700      01:20:39:17      01:20:44:12

Not from any perspective,

as far as the incident is concerned.

 

0701      01:21:03:05      01:21:08:00

It was like, in that sense, inexplicable...

 

0702      01:21:09:07      01:21:12:16

to think that so many people had died.

 

0703      01:21:12:19      01:21:20:02

I often asked myself:

Why couldn't Pekka just kill himself?

 

0704      01:21:21:02      01:21:25:02

I could only think

about it all as a father.

 

0705      01:21:26:05      01:21:31:13

I could only think about Pekka. I wasn't able

to think about any of the others.

 

0706      01:21:49:06      01:21:52:23

Did you ever meet Pekka in real life?

-No.

 

0707      01:21:53:01      01:21:59:21

He was... I think we were both at that time very troubled...

 

0708      01:21:59:24      01:22:07:12

and uncomfortable with being around people.  

 

0709      01:22:14:13      01:22:18:14

At least in the beginning I always thought that...

 

0710      01:22:19:20      01:22:23:17

it was something that I could have done. 

 

0711      01:22:23:20      01:22:29:24

That I failed to act.

 

0712      01:22:30:24      01:22:35:08

But the longer I spent thinking about it...

 

0713      01:22:35:11      01:22:40:23

And the more time has past since the incident

 

0714      01:22:41:04      01:22:47:07

The more I realized that I could not have done anything.

 

0715      01:22:47:10      01:22:51:12

Of course it would have been possible that

we would fall madly in love...

 

0716      01:22:51:15      01:22:55:21

and the world would be such a wonderful place afterwards.

 

0717      01:22:58:06      01:23:00:22

But things obviously don’t happen that way.

 

0718      01:23:02:20      01:23:05:23

I did have a crush on him.

 

0719      01:23:06:23      01:23:10:05

It was the morning of...

 

0720      01:23:11:11      01:23:12:22

November 7th.

 

0721      01:23:13:00      01:23:16:23

I remember I was writing in my journal,

before the class started.

 

0722      01:23:17:01      01:23:22:03

And I wrote down that Pekka is the kind of person I could see myself in a relationship with.

 

0723      01:23:22:24      01:23:24:20

And yes...

 

0724      01:23:36:06      01:23:39:13

Everyone was saying like, that I could not have done anything.

 

0725      01:23:39:16      01:23:42:09

But I thought, how the hell would you know.

 

0726      01:23:43:12      01:23:44:23

So...

 

0727      01:23:46:16      01:23:51:08

In April, I thought: I’m going to ask someone who would know that.

 

0728      01:23:51:11      01:23:55:08

I remember reading about Kip Kinkel...

 

0729      01:23:55:11      01:24:01:00

And him shooting his parents and then going on a

school shooting spree in his school.

 

0730      01:24:01:03      01:24:05:04

I remember that he was still alive and in prison.

So I thought that I’m going to write him...

 

0731      01:24:05:07      01:24:09:22

And ask him if there was something that

his friends could have done.

 

0732      01:24:10:17      01:24:13:05

Surprisingly enough he answered.

 

0733      01:24:14:06      01:24:20:04

And told me that there was nothing that

his friends could have done.

 

0734      01:24:20:07      01:24:24:21

And he is absolutely positive that there was nothing that I could have done either.

 

0735      01:24:29:16      01:24:31:09

I think...

 

0736      01:24:35:10      01:24:42:14

Even if you are close friends with someone,

you only get bits and pieces of their life.

 

0737      01:24:42:17      01:24:48:21

You don’t get the bigger picture or the whole picture

of what their life is like.

 

0738      01:24:48:24      01:24:51:17

Of what they are dealing with.

 

0739      01:24:53:17      01:24:56:10

Everyone is sort of wearing a mask.

 

0740      01:24:57:10      01:24:58:21

And they...

 

0741      01:25:00:16      01:25:03:18

Choose what they let their friends see.

 

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